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  10 movies > stuck on an island

  by Bendrr in

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  to carry the island thing further, if you were stuck on an island what 10 movies would you have?.

  1. superman.

  2. airplane!.

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  wondering alot

  The Matrix
  Twin Falls Idaho
  Duets
  Unbreakable
  Fifth Element
  Princess Bride
  A.I.
  Conspiracy Theory
  Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
  Chocolat

  not in that order, that's only for the first day
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  Submit your favorite quote!

  by Spartacus in

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  when a difficulty is deep and painful, the triumph is glorious and jubilant.. -spartacus 2001

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  wondering alot

  My sister got lucky, married a yuppie...

  from "Yer So Bad"
  By Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne
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  Submit your favorite quote!

  by Spartacus in

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  when a difficulty is deep and painful, the triumph is glorious and jubilant.. -spartacus 2001

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  wondering alot

  My sister got lucky, married a yuppie...

  from "Yer So Bad"
  By Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne
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  Submit your favorite quote!

  by Spartacus in

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  when a difficulty is deep and painful, the triumph is glorious and jubilant.. -spartacus 2001

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  wondering alot

  My sister got lucky, married a yuppie...

  from "Yer So Bad"
  By Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne
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  Submit your favorite quote!

  by Spartacus in

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  when a difficulty is deep and painful, the triumph is glorious and jubilant.. -spartacus 2001

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  wondering alot

  Beware of organization… it is wholly unnecessary. (Watchtower 9/15/1895, pg. 1866)

  Christian is the only name we need to be called. (Watchtower Mar-Apr 1883, pg. 458)
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  Passover celebration

  by wondering alot in

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  now the festival of the unfermented cakes, the so-called passover, was getting near.

  "and on the fifteenth day of this month is the festival of unfermented cakes to jehovah.

  seven days you should eat unfermented cakes.

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  wondering alot

  So when would someone if he were to follow the command "to keep doing this in rememberance of me" celebrate the Lord's evening meal? the evening of Nisan 13/14 as the WTBTS says or the evening of Nisan 14/15 as many Jews who celebarte the Passover do?
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  Passover celebration

  by wondering alot in

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  now the festival of the unfermented cakes, the so-called passover, was getting near.

  "and on the fifteenth day of this month is the festival of unfermented cakes to jehovah.

  seven days you should eat unfermented cakes.

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  Modern Jewish calendars list each of the seven days of the festival as "Passover". The feast of Unleavened Bread therefore was not a separate event or meal that followed "Passover" but was this same "feast." Passover extended from Nisan 15 which was a "holy convention" or special Sabbath day (Seder) through to Nisan 21, which was also a "holy convention" or special Sabbath day. The actual Passover occurred in the evening and the memorial of that celebration that was repeated year after year copied the actual event. This was not a 24-hour celebration but is the start of the Festival of Unfermented Cakes.

  And on the first day there is to take place for YOU a holy convention, and on the seventh day a holy convention. No work is to be done on them. Only what every soul needs to eat, that alone may be done for YOU. (Exodus 12:16)

  Now the festival of the unfermented cakes, the so-called Passover, was getting near. (Luke 22:1, NWT)

  Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. (Luke 22:1, KJV)

  If the Passover were to be eaten on the evening 13/14, then the entire daytime of Nisan 14 would be excluded from the upcoming festival of the unfermented cakes. That festival starts on Nisan 15 as the Scriptures clearly state.

  In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, between the two evenings is the passover to Jehovah. "‘And on the fifteenth day of this month is the festival of unfermented cakes to Jehovah. Seven days YOU should eat unfermented cakes.’" (Leviticus 23:5-6)

  The Passover lamb is to be slaughtered and prepared (quickly roasted) to be eaten between the two evenings of the 14th. Typically that is the time after the sun sets to the time when the after—glow fades and it is completely dark.

  "Now the sons of Israel should prepare the passover sacrifice at its appointed time. On the fourteenth day in this month between the two evenings YOU should prepare it at its appointed time. According to all its statutes and all its regular procedures YOU should prepare it." (Numbers 9:2-3)

  The lamb had to be kept safe until the 14th, which means that it could not be slaughtered on the 13th. The lamb had to be slaughtered on Nisan 14 before the date changed to Nisan 15. It had to be roasted quickly and eaten hot that night (actually Nisan 14/15 evening).
  And it must continue under safeguard by YOU until the fourteenth day of this month, and the whole congregation of the assembly of Israel must slaughter it between the two evenings. (Exodus 12:6)

  "‘And they must eat the flesh on this night. They should eat it roasted with fire and with unfermented cakes along with bitter greens.’" (Exodus 12:8)

  According to the Scriptural account of the incidents surrounding the time immediately following the Israelites release from Egypt, the Israelites left on the fifteenth of the month directly after the Passover. The splashing of the doorposts with lamb’s blood and the hasty preparation of meal was completed before that evening. The rest of the night was set aside for the Israelites to eat together as families and sing songs waiting for their deliverance to come that night by means of Jehovah’s angel and Pharaoh’s release announcement. The Passover preparation must occurred on the fourteenth (the lamb was kept safe until the 14th) and eaten during the evening of 14th or beginning of 15th, after nightfall. The meal could be eaten later. It was the preparation that carried a specific timetable. During the night of the 15th in the early morning hours, Jehovah’s angel did its job and their release was issued. Prepared as commanded, that morning of the 15th, Israel picked up their belongings and left.

  And they proceeded to pull away from Ram'e·ses in the first month, on the fifteenth day of the first month. Directly the day after the passover the sons of Israel went out with uplifted hand before the eyes of all the Egyptians. (Numbers 33:3)

  The gospel accounts of Jesus’ last days also support the late date (evening 14th /15th) Passover.

  Now on the first day of unfermented cakes, when they customarily sacrificed the passover [victim], his disciples said to him: "Where do you want us to go and prepare for you to eat the passover?" (Mark 14:12)

  The day of the unfermented cakes now arrived, on which the passover [victim] must be sacrificed; (Luke 22:7 ) [That day would be Nisan 14. (Exodus 12:6)]
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  Can anyone help me?

  by aud8 in

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  can anyone out there ease my mind?

  i am about to disassociate myself and feel so scared.

  what if i'm making the wrong decision?

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  You may want to just stop going to the meetings. Don't cause a stir. Simply say if anyone asks that you have some difference of opinion. After some attempts, they will leave you alone. Yet you are not disfellowshipped or disassociated and your true JW friends will not be pressured into not being able to visit with you.
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  Challenge...RE: WT bound volumes, books, CDROMs...

  by TheApostleAK in

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  since on many occasions, the watchtower and awake bound volumes have been altered from what was originally printed, and newer editions of hard covered books have also been altered compared to the originals, who's to say that the cds haven't also been tampered with?.

  is there any proof of that?

  there seems to be a belief on here that the wt has made wholesale changes to their bound volumes, books and cdrom's.

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  In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdom of the world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914. (Studies in the Scripture, Vol. 2, pg. 99, 1906 ed. ) [The 1913 edition rewords this: near the end of of A.D. 1915.]

  Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; (Studies in the Scripture, Vol. 3, pg. 228, 1908 ed. ) [The 1916 edition rewords this: Just how long after 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed.]

  [T]he organization of the Kingdom and the taking by our Lord of his great power as the King in April 1878, and the time of trouble or “day of wrath” which began October 1874 and will end October 1914; [The 1916 edition rewords this: the time of trouble or “day of wrath” which began October 1874, and will cease about 1915;.] and the sprouting of the fig tree. (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 4, pg. 604, 1897 ed.)

  Then measuring down the “Entrance Passage” from that point, to find the distance to the entrance of the “Pit,” representing the great trouble and destruction with which this age is to close, when evil will be overthrown from power, we find it to be 3416 inches, symbolizing 3416 years from the above date, B.C. 1542. This calculation shows A.D. 1874 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years B.C. plus 1874 years A.D. equals 3416 years. Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1874 [The 1916 edition rewords this: we find it to be 3457 inches, symbolizing 3457 years from the above date, B.C. 1542. This calculation shows A.D. 1915 as marking the beginning of the period of trouble; for 1542 years B.C. plus 1915 years A.D. equals 3457 years. Thus the Pyramid witnesses that the close of 1914] was the chronological beginning of the time of trouble such as was not since there was a nation-no, nor ever shall be afterward. (Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 3, pg. 342, 1902 ed.)

  We have seen that God has a set time for every feature of his plan, and that we are even now in this "Day of Vengeance," which is a period of forty years; that it began in October, 1874, and will end in October, 1914.. The great events predicted in the Scriptures .. are already overshadowing the world, and are as sure to come as they are foretold: and seventeen years would seem to be abundant space for their full accomplishment." (Studies in the Scriptures IV - Battle of Armageddon (till 1910, The Day of Vengeance), 1897, 1904-20, 1923-5, 1927, pg. 546-7) [The year 1914 came and went without the predicted events occurring, the 1915 edition of the same book was subtly amended. So "in October, 1914" became "very shortly" and ": and seventeen" became ". A very few"!]

  [T]he time of trouble or 'day of wrath' which .. will end October 1914.. (Zionist) Conventions .. meet year by year to put in practical shape the proposal for the reorganization of a Jewish state in Palestine. The buds will thrive, but will bear no perfect fruit before October 1914 - the full end of 'Gentile Times'.. Complete destruction of the 'powers that be' of 'this present evil worlds - political, financial, ecclesiastical - about the close of the Time of the Gentiles; October A.D. 1914. (Studies in the Scriptures IV - Battle of Armageddon (till 1910, The Day of Vengeance), 1897, 1904-20, 1923-5, 1927, pgs. 604,622) [When nothing happened in 1914, the text was quietly amended in the 1915 edition on page 604. So "end October 1914" became "cease about 1915".]

  That the Lord must be present, and set up his Kingdom, and exercise his great power so as to dash the nations to pieces as a potter's vessel, before A.D. 1914, is then clearly fixed; for it is 'in the days of these kings' - before their overthrow - i.e. before A.D. 1914 - that the God of heaven shall set up his Kingdom.. The 'Times of the Gentiles'.. will run fully out with the year A.D. 1914, and at that time they will all be overturned and Christ's Kingdom fully established.. Both of these ripenings (Rev. 14:1-4, 18-20) will be completed in a period of forty years, ending with the year A.D. 1914." (Studies in the Scriptures IV - Battle of Armageddon (till 1910, The Day of Vengeance), 1897, 1904-20, 1923-5, 1927, pg. 170) [In the 1916 edition with the predicted events not materializing, the following substitutions were unobtrusively made: the word "all" was omitted from before the "be overturned", and a footnote added "How long it will require to accomplish this overturning we are not informed, but have reasons to believe the period will be 'short.'"; also the last reference to 1914 was changed to 1915!]
  That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed.. Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed .. (Studies in the Scriptures III - Thy Kingdom Come, C.T.Russell, 1891, 1895, 1898, 1901-20, 1923-7, pg. 228) [In the 1915 edition 1914-5 having passed without the predicted events occurring, the following substitutions were made: "some time before" became "very soon after", and "long before 1914" became "long after 1914"!]

  When asked who the faithful and wise servant was, Russell would reply, 'Some say I am while others say the Society is'; both are true, since Russell was in fact the Society. (Watchtower, 3/1/1923, pg. 68) [In the Watchtower 2/15/1927 on page 56 the claim is made:"'That Faithful and Wise Servant' does not apply to one individual and not to brother Russell. Russell never made that claim himself."]
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  WT CD's

  by closer2fine in

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  i have seen several mentions of watchtower cd's.

  where might i obtain one?

  closer.

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  wondering alot

  I know where you can hook up with a copy for your own personal back-up use.